Interviewer: Your whole thing about, every like seven years there something that happens. Like how you presented it, was so like natural. Like you don’t have to worry about all these changes. Like they just, they are gonna happen. I just wanna know like a little bit of how you think like how they played a role in your life.

Kathleen: The one that really stands out to me was the first time I learned about this. I was forty nine and I decided to go back to school and learn, learn kind of the way my children learn cause they sent them to Waldorf school. And there was a three year program that included painting and [inaudible] and oh just all the arts, and I thought, “I think I’ll take that, experience learning how my children learned.” Many many years ago, and when I did that one of things that I came to understand was that at age 49, 49 to 56, that’s the time of now looking out into the world to see what’s your life been about. So it’s like you are sitting on top of the mountain and just reviewing your life. And I thought, oh my gosh, that is exactly what I did. And just looking back and seeing the development, the human development that happens there and recognizing that this is the time when you interact with who you become in the first 21 years, now you’ve got your body and then now you are looking to how you interact with the world. Now how do you step in to the world, you learn through conflict and you learn through bumps and falling down. And gosh, I just remember like when I was, when I was in that age bracket I used to have older people around me and think, “they could solve my problem in a second if they just gave me like a brand new car or money, or you know the right advice” and they didn’t. And thinking, wow, I just, you know, I wanted, and now that I am you know, I’m 67 now, now that I look back and see, gosh that’s, it’s not our job as elders to make it right. It’s our job to walk beside and give hope, but we can’t fix all the problems. Yeah. And my dad was a great picture. A great example of that. Cause he learned, up until. I mean my mom had dementia, and my dad he was always learning. What is the newest thing. How can I help her. He was always engaged in learning. Learning learning. So, yeah no I am not done, I am still curious about everything.